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Life, philosophy and the Stoic approach. Conversations with my buddy Ron.

 

We also discuss my participation on The Drew Marshall Show.

Click here for my direct posts on Drew’s Soul Survivor contest and to listen to each episode.

 

Hi Ron,
With your permission, I would like to post some of our correspondence on my blog. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone as they say. I will also being doing my own synopsis of the shows.

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HI Gregg,
No problem, use whatever you want. I use three different pen names : Jones , Smith and/or Brown.
Cheers Ron

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Ron,
LOL. How about Ron?

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Gregg,
Ok that too. It works, I was only joking.

Cheers, Ron

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Ron,
So was I. Unfortunately, email can come across a bit dry at times.
Cold here but have been missing my walks with a few days of rain. Plan to hit the beach ASAP.
Cheers,
Gregg

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Gregg,
I have apologize to you. I should have known better that your sense of humour is of a high quality.
I thought that you thought that I thought that I was joking (there’s your concept again- (I love it).
I did think you were slacking off, like the rest of the World does, thinking I was serious. But you bounced right back and straightened me out. Sorry as it was indeed me who was slacking off.

You said you got Thurman’s book for $10 What is the title and what point, relative to your discussion, is he trying to make?

Again I was slacking off when I said I would taking my camera to the bank. There is an un-written law against that as you could be setting up a “job”. But it is a nice looking bank. Why do I think Annabelle would like this?

I sent you that on Stoicism. I can see now where Maslow got his ideas. He just wrapped every word up in a review in the form of a powerful diagram. Logic prevails.

Keep the Faith
Ron

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Thanks Ron,
We are starting to go in circles you and I!

Camera at the bank: I thought that would be problem…I was waiting to hear you had been arrested.

Ordered the Dalai Lama’s book. I can I will use it as a coaster. Still no word from Thurman.

Today’s show is just me and Drew and a Christian scholar on world religion. Not sure if Drew and I will be discussing religion or me?

I think everything has already been thought by someone. They keep trying to make something new again, like Maslow. Just more lipstick on the pig.

We have a black tie event directly after the show. It is a fundraiser through Annabelle’s work. I have a wonderful silk tuxedo but I bought a real bow tie and am trying to learn how to tie the damned thing. Shouldn’t have waited on that.
Cheers for now,
Gregg

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Hi Gregg,
NO-Thank you not me. The circle, if it exists, a convergence. Independently (if there s such a word) you and I are driven by logic. That being the case, we are bound to close the circle. Therefore it is
a good sign., I would not have thought of it that way. I like it.

My take is that Drew and his followers are victims of an addiction.
Very much like gambling, alcohol, drugs, ego etc. Without using logic- they are addicted to problems where there are none. This only problem is that they say there is a problem. They revel in the fact they cannot solve it. They pretend that they are solving problems and if they do solve it they would not have any need for the show.

So ,ipso facto, round in circles they go. your job is to expose the sham. At least this is what I heard you say about the Buddhist Pope. His actions re: louder than his words.

My take… I could be wrong. As a stoic I am definitely “INDIFFERENT” (The sixth major feature of Stoicism). This lead me to postulate the non committal output and to save Drew’s reputation, need to produce a 1-10 scale. You know what I mean.

Once again I am hesitating to send this but the convergence (above ) is reducing the risk. I hasten to point out all of this is NOT an opinion but it is logic talking.

Save the problems and throw the women and children overboard.

Cheers Ron
Yessi Grist! (Welsh) I am long winded!!!

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Hi Ron,
I had a bit of an unpleasant show today. you’ll have to wait to hear it. But by God, you nailed it on the head. That is exactly what is going on. Thanks for the clarity.

(Got my bow tie tied though so persevering is the key. )

My take is that Drew and his followers are victims of an addiction. Very much like gambling, alcohol, drugs, ego etc. Without using logic- they are addicted to problems where there are none. This only problem is that they say there is a problem. They revel in the fact they cannot solve it. They pretend that they are solving problems and if they do solve it they would not have any need for the show. So ,ipso facto, round in circles they go. your job is to expose the sham.

Cheers, Ron

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HI Gregg,
Flattery with, “You hit the nail on the head” will get you everywhere!!! It is unsounded,

It is Logic that hit the nail on the head. Your comment is a confirmation of this. For this I thank You. You took your observations and applied your logic , independently, which turns out to be the same as mine. So you see it is logic, not you or I, doing it.

This whole thing is a manifestation of Maslow’s fourth level. What logic tells me that what he actually meant was, “Observer Esteem” which would be the result of action taken by the receiver. The action taken is WITHOUT any thought of expectation. He is only doing it “BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO”.

Every time I doubt (Skeptic) this, logic drawer me back. This is a good thing. Consistency is the feature. Here I am using Logic again. Don’t miss-understand – I could be wrong of course.

I am looking forward to the other (disaster) meeting. My guess it that is too will fit the profile?

Gregg- (Mushy)My esteem for you…. I have not memory of any person being such a deep thinker as You. I thank you for this convergence. We both could be wrong.

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Hi Ron,
We could always be wrong but right principles will always prevail. I should make clear that while I find logic in all things, I also find mysticism and total wonder of the world around me. There is grace, dignity and love in all things. It is better to be a child of the stars than a conqueror of men.

Gregg

Hi Ron,
Our Soul Survivor contestant Ryan showed up at the studio drunk (long story, lots more drama, unfortunately) yesterday. I was on standby from home and was able to step in for the interview.

I was just sending the email below to my mother. I am forwarding it to you as I thought of you with a chuckle. It made me think of our conversations on the porch in Bridgetown

Who would have thunk I would have a chance to call the Dalai Lama the Buddhist Pope to his friend of 40 years? Robert Thurman took it in stride and with good humour. I think we may become pen pals of sorts.

Cheers,
Gregg

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Hi Gregg,
Bloody Lovely….this is funnier than you think eh? I am delighted that “circumstances” got you into his position. All I said…. Confuses discovered and told us that any organization needs and will not operate without a leader and a critical Mass. This is why the Vatican group and Buddhism are alike. When I heard you say the Dali was no more the a Pope I was delighted as her was an “expert” confirming my deduction.

You don’t mess around but go to the top eh? You have not affected him at all but he is willing to discuss –not argue the topic. Sending you a book and all. You did get him a bit riles up but they he calmed down. I had forgotten your Buddhist experience over several years and hence the e-mail to your mother.

I am definitely interested and looking forward to hearing the interview when it comes.

On Friday they moved out of the old Bank. They will be open 10 am Monday. On Saturday they were all working inside, cleaning windows and walls and floors.

I walked in (on purpose) and, of course, was told they were not open yet. to which I used my planned reply- Oh sorry to bother you but I wanted to be the first foot in the new Bank and I have just done that- Have a Good Day. I then left with a satisfied smile on my face. Where else can retired persons get entertainment?

Keep Your stick on the Ice.
Ron

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Hi Ron,
First off, good on you for getting your feet in the bank first. Sounds like something I would do. Annabelle laughed when I told her and agreed that we are two peas in a pod in that regard.

Secondly, the buzz and excitement has worn off from the show that went to shit. I find out now that Drew knew Ryan was drunk and put him on anyway. That is a horse of a different colour. I think he was angry with Ryan for disrespecting him and the show after having given him so many chances. On the other hand, having admitted he had already been drunk on the show, couldn’t handle the pressure and was absent for two consecutive shows, it was disingenuous for Drew to be surprised by this turn of events.

I was actually going to show up at the studio in Oakville on Saturday as I felt it was going to go sideways. I was on call as agreed. Didn’t go there for two reasons. One, it seemed a bit over-eager and stalky. Two, I did not want to run in to Ryan and undercut his confidence (and no, I still don’t like him personally).

The experience is beginning to leave a bad taste in my mouth. Everyone using each other for their own gain, including me. Welcome to the true meaning of religion!!!

I think I will go back to Stoicism. Marcus Aurelias has already said everything I need to know.

On a lighter note, great weather here again. The beach is ever changing and a real Godsend (LOL) to me at this time. I am utterly captivated by the beauty there. Listening to James Brown and walking the beach is better than any church.

Cheers for now,
Gregg

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Hi Ron, you probably are not a James Brown fan.

Check out this little riff. Great jazz/funk. Perfectly executed and controlled by a man who could not read music.

Play it on your headphones if you have any!

[embedyt] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaGM0yx4968[/embedyt]

Cheers,
Gregg

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HI Gregg,
I was going to ask you who the chap Brown was. Lo and behold you told me here.
I must admit he is not my kind of person or music and it is in another World. I do sympathise with him for being blind given my vision loss. I am sure Annabelle will agree with me on that point. Also tell her that I am honoured to be in the same pea pod as you.

As I read your comments on Ryan I said that you are a stoic. Low and behold you confirmed that too. I am the World’s Top Stoic. Have been since I was ten. Looking back I got it from my Dad. Annabelle can put that on her list.

I was going to ask you where the studio for Soul S’s was and lo and behold you also told me that.
Oakville. I can ask you where Drew is coming from? Is he a Christian or anything? Or is he just
a typical contemporary Religious entity as you say? he strikes me as very childish on the radio.
He never seems to be in tune with the topic. How did he get his job in the first place?

I did go the Bank this am. It is like night and Day. No more claustrophobia, lots of light an big windows . I will take my camera next time.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
R

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Hi Ron,
I think I am going to stick with Stoicism from now on. It is a harder road but I just can’t buy in to the fairy tales.

Clarification, James Brown was not blind, it was just the name of the song. James Brown is the biggest selling artist after Elvis and will probably surpass him as people are still listening to him.

I’ll let Annabelle know what you wrote. Peas in a pod for sure. Strange peas at that!

Drew is a former pastor and raised Christian. Grew up in a funeral home family. A few other jobs. Proposed the radio show idea to the Joy AM, the Christian channel. They said yes and he has been on for about 13 years. Big audience, so they say. However, he came out as a doubter and had a “crisis of faith” about 5 years ago. Not sure how that has affected his career to date.

And yes, it is very much a Jock Radio format and they infantilize everything. This type of radio is usually focused on a 15 year old’s maturity. I know Drew and Tim (his engineer) are bright guys but the format itself becomes a limit. Said to my Mom last night that I was a bit over qualified for his show but, unfortunately way under qualified to get on CBC Ideas. That is typical for me as being betwixt and between most of my life.

Cheers,
Gregg

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Hi Gregg,
Thanks for the update and notes. Funny how I sensed the 15 year old maturity level or something like it. It seems to me there is such a vast gap between the speakers and the show. It is not surprising the Mormon hung up (maybe for the wrong reason). Mr. Gandhi had their number with his Universal (and Stoic) approach I have always found the Stoic approach almost automatically builds up your self esteem (Maslow). Some people think you have to work for it but it is not under your control. It is what others think of you as a result of what you do. (Enough Philosophy)

Looking forward to hear you pre-stoic approach with the Buddha chap. At least it will be at a higher level than 15 year olds as you mother says.

As you will notice I am not opinionated eh?

Cheers Ron

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Hi Ron,
Arun Gandhi did know enough to stay general. Problem with the tribal representatives is that they are all liberal humanists to some extent. It is like shadow boxing because they quickly disavow themselves of any primitive tribal practices.

“Of course this is done somewhere, but not here. Of course, the religion says this but we ignore that these days…”

Best whitewashing so far; Hamza Yusef comparing fundamentalist Moslems in the backward countries to “grumpy Amish”. What a crock. The Amish do not support violence for any reason. It was a beautiful, fake analogy.

So far we have the Mormons following a con man, womanizer and pedophile (young girls) . They are inherently racist and thought there was a kingdom on the moon.

Hindus supporting Gandhi who liked to sleep naked with his young nieces just to tempt himself. And a program to return India to backward tribal villages, romancing a past that was never romantic. And now forever problems with the Indian Moslems now.

Moslems supporting Mohammed who was very violent and power hungry and with the Koran that clearly advocates war and violence. Harder to disavow when it is the “direct word” from Allah, not an opinion piece like parts of the bible.

Buddhism from Tibet with a pope who demands to be returned to power like a greedy prince. China did a good thing liberating that awful country. It was a terrible feudal system controlled by the theocracy. And the Dalai Lama who claims to be a living deity

I wonder what tribe will be next?

Cheers,
Gregg

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Hi Ron,
I have just posted last Saturday’s show. Ryan’s initial segment was deleted, thankfully. I am now the official contestant for the remaining shows.

For my Soul Survivor bio click here.

Gregg

 

 

Hi Ron,
I have just posted last Saturday’s show. Ryan’s initial segment was deleted, thankfully. I am now the official contestant for the remaining shows.

For my Soul Survivor bio click here.

Information on Robert Thurman click here.

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Hi Ron,
I am not who I think I am. I am who I think you think I am. And so it goes, we need to see our reflection in others.

Once food, shelter and safety are achieved, the rest is for the good ol’ ego.
Gregg

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Hello Gregg,
Thank You, thank you. Very interesting. That show needed you.
The Buddhist Chap is good. He does however confirm my long time feeling that all sects get caught up in Personifications and simile. They have to use them because they (we) have no other way of communicating with clarity. They then forget to talk (think) about the subject. Your questions were after those problems.

In all fairness to him he did touch on (as he had to do) the fact that all real life is driven by the human brain because there only is “thought”. As he said life is the relationships between people, environment and social pressures. We are not debating TRUTH but we are debating our ability to describe our reactions. This is the way we LIVE. In historic times when the population was essentially superstitious (99.999%) we had to speak (think) in fiction. We have come a long way.

It is logic that governs. If this is not an “Axiom” it is damn close. Let us Stoics keep the “KISS” [Keep It Simple Stupid] rule up front. I wish I had a nickel for every time I have used the phrase, “WHAT PRICE LOGIC?” In this arena and many others. It is a human fault.

It is not surprising that three years ago The Soul Survivors voted for Buddhism as the leader.
With you at the helm, I predict, that we will have the same result this time. At least it will be the leader even if not picked. I would suggest that Drew calls for the list to be numbered relative to each other. Otherwise you will have a non-conclusion which is my prediction.

Tell this to Annabelle so she can smile when it comes true.

With you there, I know, the show will get closer to the “logic” field. Besides this is the only way to describe the “Truth” -Remember the KISS rule.

Cheers Ron

p.s. Again I reluctantly send this [next email] after a second Thought.

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Hi Gregg
Just love the expression “I am only what you think I am”. Fundamentally it is a perfect description of an Egotist. They are striving to give the impression that they are the cat’s pajamas as seen by the observer… No other reason.

Preamble…In my first year of University we had Psychology as a subject. Engineering students had
no interest, they just knew they had to pass the exam. I had been working for 8 years in the dull
World. I suspect this is why it intrigued me. The hot topic (1949) was Maslow.

I have tried on very few occasions to involve conversation but no one was ever interested. I hide my head a little to tell you this. But I did it on purpose…with our little chats in B’Town and your recent emails I introduced the name “Maslow” the other day.

You will notice it was only slightly relevant to the topic of that day. Since it was the first real stoic I have met in 56 years I took the risk knowing if he caught on he would not be angry.

I was very pleasantly surprised when you came back with this e-mail. Tell this part to Annabelle (I spelt her name right this time). She will get the pea pod out again as she knows you would do the very same thing.

Logic tells me that Maslow did not think this way. The steps of his triangle demonstrate the critical steps needed to live LIFE. Food, shelter and safety carry an ambiance of essential features that have to come from the outside of the body. These are nothing to do with Ego. He did not change his approach in mid stream . Self esteem and actualization had to have the same ambiance. It is unfortunate that he used the word, “Self” but even it is explainable.

He should have used the word “observer”. He was talking a but the esteem given by the observer to the person as a result of observing how he (the subject) lives his life. there is ambiguity between the two esteems. This is why he used the word “Self” The esteem that someone else holds for you earned by your actions of doing the right thing. There is no attempt on your part to gain from it. Maslow did not mean the esteem was intentional. He meant it was the result (in the observer’s mind) of the action in which he subject lives his life.

Doing the right thing. As an aside this works also for young people looking up to criminals. They have esteem for Alonzo Boyd [famous gangster]. Since it is one Stoic to another Stoic here I am able to say I have esteem for you. It certainly is not ego on your part in fact it is beyond your control.

This logic forces me to recognize the fallacy that Maslow was talking about Ego . The same logic governs “Actualization” If you don’t exercise it your life and the pleasure you get (the walks on Burlington Beach) would not be expanded to its potential and life would be so dull.

Review: If Maslow was talking about “Egotist” in the last two levers it would destroy the consistency of his thinking, this Maslow would not do. It would also fall victim to Ambiguity and hence confuse the listener (as it did to me originally). There is nothing wrong with the Ego line if indeed it is supplying Ego needs.

But as you well know NO ONE HAS ANY ESTEEM FOR AN EGOTIST. HE ONLY HAS ESTEEM FOR HIMSELF. This could not be what Maslow meant. He talks in terms of “Needs” not “wants”. Egos reflects wants, therefore logic tells me that he was not thinking of any ego.

I have volunteered at Mt. Lea for the last 19 years. 900+ weekly visits (missed about 5%). Not for
one second did I ever do it for my ego or gain. I did it only because it was the Right Thing to do.

I never attached any Need for esteem. Just last week I ran into Dr. George Allen [Baptist minister] and as only he can, he plauded my laudits in expressing “Esteem” for what I was doing. As a Stoic I was neither embarrassed or happy. This is a case of “Transferred Epithet” of the word (adjective) “self” from me to him.

Praise the Lord and Pass the ammunition. A saying from my youth in Britain during the War.

Sorry for the ramble but you are the first person I have found in 60 years that thinks that deeply. and I am sure Annabelle will have smirk on her face.

Thanks
Cheers Ron

p.s. I held this for second thoughts before I sent it.

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Hi Ron,
Those were wonderful emails and worthy of deep consideration. In place of that, I offer some more cursory observations as follows:

I do believe there is still a feedback or reflection mechanism in place that is not entirely egotistical in the pejorative sense. It can be wonderfully refreshing to find that each person interacts with others in a different fashion. I saw this with my grandfather who could be incredibly selfish and a real jerk most of the time. At his funeral (he asked that I speak his eulogy), I had men come up to me and say that he literally saved their lives through AA or the John Howard Society.

Was this the same man that I knew? It was. He was a tyrant to his wife and family but truly a Godsend to others in need. So I made that comment about “I am not who I think I am…” with some optimism. I think we can all recall someone we know getting bashed by someone else for legitimate reasons. But we think at the time, that is not the person I know. To me this speaks to a form of grace (of some sort) and possibility.

Maslow was right, of course. I would work just as hard for money as I would for some form of external validation. Probably a defect from my childhood. Once the basics are provided we go looking for more.

Strange how you and I can grow closer as we live further apart. I think you met me at a stage where I was weary with telling truths. Ranting, yes but tired of trying to lift others. I have learned the hard way that most people are asleep at the wheel and will actually resent you waking them up. Too many bruises and wasted energy. I hope I have found a middle ground where I have the discernment to understand when my input is valuable or not. Though I did say “I hope…”.

The Stoic way is a lonely one at times. I think it is essentially doing right for the sake of right. It is treating others properly regardless of their behaviour towards you. There are no external, future rewards. There is no punishment in store for those who cross you. There is no father God in the sky.

I do envy others their sense of community and communion. Not having been brought up in a church, I had always assumed they all believed what was being preached. Otherwise, wouldn’t they disavow the church? Was I ever in for an awakening. Most could care less. It was about community and business contacts and feeling good about themselves in the pecking order. I do understand their fear of no longer belonging; excommunication must be mortifying to them.

The show:
Good call with your predictions. A little concerned about the finale. I think in a moment of weakness it will actually be Christian in a watered down denomination of some sort. Maybe an urban United church? But overall, I am not enamoured with any of them, including Buddhism. I think I am going to go for a non-decision or, at least, a rejection of them all. Too many damn fairy tales.

Maybe Buddhism if had not been linked to that smirking, inscrutable Dalai Lama who talks from both sides of his mouth most of the time. “I am a little prince from the middle ages, give me my country and serfs back. What? I am the only one now? What is this democracy thing?” I now believe he is the worse than the Pope as the Lama bears even less responsibility.

I had wanted to ask the Buddhists: what do you really do for the poor? Where are the hospitals, schools, food banks, housing, orphanages etc…? Oh, all the money goes for temples and then back to Tibet. Nice.

My apologies in advance if I missed some items given your emails.

I will say that Marcus Aurelius, James Brown and the Lake of Shining Waters seem to be holding out pretty well.

Out for now.

Cheers,
Gregg

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Hi Gregg,
Thanks for taking the time to comment. It amazes me as to how you hit the nail on the heard. I am intrigued with the grandfather’s eulogy, as it explains how you came by the “I don’t know who I am….”

My take is that you are driven by Logic and that is how you came to the conclusion. It is NOT just an opinion. That is LIFE… one man’s gravy is another man’s poison (or some such saying). This just manifests the extreme POWER of the human brain to give you access to the awareness of really what is going on. I know it aggravates you when lazy thinkers do not consider logic before talking.

This is why the Dalai Lame speaks from both sided of his mouth as you say. Sorry for the ramble but I hope I said this right. If it is logical it works.

I like Thurman’s rationality and (joke) about Buddhist afterlife being provided by thousands of re-incarnations. Then the Christians win with theirs as it is infinity.. Putting aside it is only  RATIONALITY it is a good joke. I do hope you fine the Dalai’s statement for him. I know he will rationalize around it, but as I say, “What Price Logic?”

By the way I forgot to say, “Nice Picture” [Soul Survivor Bio]. I have never seen a picture that shows , so well, the underlying personality and enthusiasm of the person. (Seriously). Annabelle will like this line.

Thanks again for making it so easy for me to pick up the Soul Survivor’s sessions.

Who is the 38 year old woman? – interesting.

At least it is not too far to drive from Burlington to Oakville for a Saturday radio show.
Ron

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Thanks Ron
I wasn’t fond of the picture but had nothing else to send at the moment. So much for my boy scout preparedness training.

I had to order the Dalai Lama book from Amazon for $10 as our lousy, lousy local library didn’t have it. (Tell Connie at the Btown library she has Burlington beat on that score.) I did reach out to Bob Thurman but did not receive a reply. He also deleted his facebook posting regarding our show. What a phony. I wonder what his friend would say about keeping his word when it is no longer beneficial to him in the heat of the moment? I will reserve final judgement for another week.

Yes, Catalina is her name. Drew met her at the Hari Krishna temple that he still attends. I think he had the hots for her during the show. He seemed so solicitous and kind which is not his normal manner. She is very pretty and has a wonderful voice. Wonder if they ever got something going?

I think Drew is divorced. Can’t say for sure but I get that feeling as he never refers to his wife.

Interestingly, he posted this on his Drew Marshall Twitter account on Tuesday:

Today’s Lesson For Drew: Don’t screw up the best thing in your life just because you’re a little unsure about who you are.

I wonder if he got some flak from his radio station for last weekend? It was a horrendous couple of minutes when Ryan was first on. Drew later put out a request for whomever drove Ryan there to come and pick him up. There must have been complaints as a Christian channel would be a little disconcerted by all of that. The entire contest has been a roller coaster.

Cheers,
Gregg

Hi Ron,

Annabelle and I were at a black tie event in Oakville on Saturday night. Very posh fundraiser for a women’s shelter; $150 per ticket. Almost 500 people attended. Got to wear my “new” silk tuxedo that fits me beautifully and I felt like James Bond. Thank you Frenchy’s [discount and vintage clothing] as that tux cost me $14.

Ah vanity… I know.

What was most interesting was a self-serve candy bar for an adult-only event. A long table with bowl after bowl of candy. You get a bag and a scoop and off you go. Everyone walking around with little bags of candy and eating before dinner. Then a huge line up after dinner as well. These are not petit fours and gourmet chocolates; we are talking penny candy for children like gummy worms, jelly beans, jujubes etc… It was astounding to watch well dresses adults eat this all night. They were stuffing themselves with it. Many collected even more bags to take home. Annabelle tells me this is the new thing and very popular.

I like sweets (a lot) but this is just pure sugar, the kind that makes you sick if you eat too much. It seemed like such a juxtaposition for the formal, Oscar themed event. Watched a beautiful young lady hail a cab while eating her little bag of candy. She was dressed like a fashion model, very sophisticated, but with a bag of children’s candy. It seemed so odd and infantile.

BTW, Annabelle tells me that they offer a candy bar with their catering options: for funerals!!

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Gregg,
Wow! So that is what Annabelle looks like….I have never seen her. I met her at the tourist Bureau after my sight loss. In order to see people I have to be 3 to 4 inches from their face. Men get a little concerned when I do that, for a different reason than women. I tried it to and I have only had my face slapped three times.

My computer is a God-send on the Magnifier I can be a lot closer to recognition, not like you but good enough to keep my sanity. That been said…  Great pictures. Frechies eh? You sure look good together. Hollywood suits you.

I would have said, “James Bond” at least.

Ich muss ein langer Seit sein, dass ich das ganzen Welt sehen werden.

Cheers Ron

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Hi Ron, just have to tell you a quick story.

First real bow tie. Hell of a time trying to tie it up. On youtube all morning. Harry Rosen, other clothiers, haberdashers, you name it. They all had lousy instructions and NO mention of proper length to begin with. Then I find an amateur just doing it for the love of it (of course). Older British guy, engineer’s ring on his hand. Sets it up properly so you can do it the mirror with him. Shows how to get the right length, everything. Tada, I did an OK job. Amazing that the “pros” lacked the clarity and ease he had. True engineer. Saved my day.

Seems to be a metaphor for the day I have had.

Cheers,
Gregg

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HI Gregg,
Well I am so glad that somebody is finally giving you some “Cooth”. I am delighted to see the iron ring still at work. I have a smile on my face because believe it or not…. In third year of my Engineering U of T. there was a formal banquet.

One of our good professors, P.B. Hughes actually decided that young engineers need “Cooth” He gave us a detail lecture including bow tie tying. Also to shine your shoes before put on the tux and a clean shirt not after!!!! Problem solving at its best. I have never forgotten that lecture.

As God is my witness this is true.

It confirms to me that engineering education is a lot more than memorizing rules and laws. It is really exercising the Human Brain’s plasticity to solidify problem solving capabilities. And this is exactly what you said our friend did. Harry Rosen missed the boat.

Cheers,
Ron